Post by Shadowcat on Nov 15, 2008 16:15:42 GMT -6
In case anyone wants to throw their 2 cents in too, just remember not to get too "detailed" in here or that would break the rule about nothing sexual being posted.
(Jinx said the following. I'm putting this here so I don't forget part of my answer.)
Okay, first off, yes, we are created in God's image. But, I've heard several takes on that, some of which range all the way to "God sins because we sin and we're created in God's image." The thing is, we were created in his IMAGE. We weren't created in his mind set and everything. Image, meaning how we look. We also, to some extent, have the ability to think like God does. Churches that see homosexuality as a sin are not seeing homosexuals as in the image of Satan. We still see homosexuals as created in God's image and they are still loved by God.
As for homosexuals that become Christian, they are not cursed. If they give their life to God (as in life for him and do their best to do what the Bible says) then they still can have salvation like everyone else. That doesn't mean that they aren't sinning, it just means God see past that. Take for example, any Christian. Christians believe lying is a sin. I think everyone, Christian or not, will probably agree that everyone has told at least a little lie somewhere in life. Well, if someone who has lied before becomes a Christian, they don't suddenly become perfect. They may still lie at some point, again, even if it's something little. It's still sinning, and it's still wrong, but God will forgive them if they just ask. It's the same with homosexual/bi sexual Christians. Every Christian on the planet sins after becoming a Christian (except maybe one who died shortly after becoming a Christian.) Whether it was a lie or they were homosexual, it doesn't matter. It's still sin, and God sees all sin as equal, whether it's a little lie or murder.
Being forgiven doesn't mean we don't still suffer in some way for our sins. Ever heard the saying what goes around, comes around? Well that pretty much applies.
As for bisexuals, if they are in a relationship with the same gender, that would be a homosexual act, and that makes it the same as homosexuality in God's eyes.
I'm always interested in this type of discussion/debate (so long as people don't start insulting each other) and I can assure you I AM open minded and I will consider what you have to say.
Now, as for the verses about homosexuality.
Now just a note about them being put to death. Death is the price of sin. That means that even a little lie has the penalty of death because God is prefect and requires perfection. That's why no matter the sin, we need Jesus' forgiveness. So again, homosexuality, lying, cheating, stealing; it's all the same. It's sin, and that's what matters. But anyway, the above was from the old testament where homosexuals were literately put to death. But, what is really means is deeper because when it says death, it means Hell.
Romans 6:23
"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
I know there's another verse but I can't find it....
(Jinx said the following. I'm putting this here so I don't forget part of my answer.)
Jinx: owo I has a question. What exactly is wrong with homosexuality? Isn't it stated in the bible or -somewhere, I've never read the bible, obviously- that we are all created in god`s image? O.o Would
15 Nov 08, 09:11
Jinx: churches of whatever that believe homosexuality to be a sin picture homosexuals as created in the image of Lucifer? o.O That's really the only thing I can see that would make it udnerstandable as to
15 Nov 08, 09:12
Jinx: why homosexuality was a bad thing. O.o Then again.. what about the homosexuals who believe in God and give their life to Jesus/God/the holy ghost? o.O;; Are they still cursed if they continue having
15 Nov 08, 09:12
Jinx: relations with the same sex? And what about bisexuals? o.o; That's sort of, middle grounds. O.o
15 Nov 08, 09:13
Jinx: Also; I'm really interested in this. e-e I've wanted to understand this for the longest time, and I think talking to someone religious with an open mind would be the best thing to work on that. o.O
15 Nov 08, 09:13
Jinx: Also I'm totally not stalking you - I just wanted to check out this site and noticed that there was a discussion going out about religion. e-e;
15 Nov 08, 09:22
Jinx: As there's a rule that disawallows gay/bi characters (and as I generally make pan and poly) I'mma not rp here.e-e*probably totally just broke a CBox rule* I will be coming back for the answer though.
15 Nov 08, 09:11
Jinx: churches of whatever that believe homosexuality to be a sin picture homosexuals as created in the image of Lucifer? o.O That's really the only thing I can see that would make it udnerstandable as to
15 Nov 08, 09:12
Jinx: why homosexuality was a bad thing. O.o Then again.. what about the homosexuals who believe in God and give their life to Jesus/God/the holy ghost? o.O;; Are they still cursed if they continue having
15 Nov 08, 09:12
Jinx: relations with the same sex? And what about bisexuals? o.o; That's sort of, middle grounds. O.o
15 Nov 08, 09:13
Jinx: Also; I'm really interested in this. e-e I've wanted to understand this for the longest time, and I think talking to someone religious with an open mind would be the best thing to work on that. o.O
15 Nov 08, 09:13
Jinx: Also I'm totally not stalking you - I just wanted to check out this site and noticed that there was a discussion going out about religion. e-e;
15 Nov 08, 09:22
Jinx: As there's a rule that disawallows gay/bi characters (and as I generally make pan and poly) I'mma not rp here.e-e*probably totally just broke a CBox rule* I will be coming back for the answer though.
Okay, first off, yes, we are created in God's image. But, I've heard several takes on that, some of which range all the way to "God sins because we sin and we're created in God's image." The thing is, we were created in his IMAGE. We weren't created in his mind set and everything. Image, meaning how we look. We also, to some extent, have the ability to think like God does. Churches that see homosexuality as a sin are not seeing homosexuals as in the image of Satan. We still see homosexuals as created in God's image and they are still loved by God.
As for homosexuals that become Christian, they are not cursed. If they give their life to God (as in life for him and do their best to do what the Bible says) then they still can have salvation like everyone else. That doesn't mean that they aren't sinning, it just means God see past that. Take for example, any Christian. Christians believe lying is a sin. I think everyone, Christian or not, will probably agree that everyone has told at least a little lie somewhere in life. Well, if someone who has lied before becomes a Christian, they don't suddenly become perfect. They may still lie at some point, again, even if it's something little. It's still sinning, and it's still wrong, but God will forgive them if they just ask. It's the same with homosexual/bi sexual Christians. Every Christian on the planet sins after becoming a Christian (except maybe one who died shortly after becoming a Christian.) Whether it was a lie or they were homosexual, it doesn't matter. It's still sin, and God sees all sin as equal, whether it's a little lie or murder.
James 2:10
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
1 John 3:4-5
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
NIV
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
1 John 3:4-5
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
NIV
Being forgiven doesn't mean we don't still suffer in some way for our sins. Ever heard the saying what goes around, comes around? Well that pretty much applies.
As for bisexuals, if they are in a relationship with the same gender, that would be a homosexual act, and that makes it the same as homosexuality in God's eyes.
Also; I'm really interested in this. e-e I've wanted to understand this for the longest time, and I think talking to someone religious with an open mind would be the best thing to work on that
I'm always interested in this type of discussion/debate (so long as people don't start insulting each other) and I can assure you I AM open minded and I will consider what you have to say.
Now, as for the verses about homosexuality.
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22)
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13)
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13)
Now just a note about them being put to death. Death is the price of sin. That means that even a little lie has the penalty of death because God is prefect and requires perfection. That's why no matter the sin, we need Jesus' forgiveness. So again, homosexuality, lying, cheating, stealing; it's all the same. It's sin, and that's what matters. But anyway, the above was from the old testament where homosexuals were literately put to death. But, what is really means is deeper because when it says death, it means Hell.
Romans 6:23
"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NIV
"9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (New Living Translation)
"9 For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. 10 The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching 11 that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God."
"9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (New Living Translation)
"9 For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. 10 The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching 11 that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God."
I know there's another verse but I can't find it....
